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MIAC Report: Ron Paul Supporters Labeled Domestic Terrorists?
Mon, 03/16/2009 - 11:43am | posted by Jason Pye
The general rule for me is if Alex Jones says it, don’t take it seriously. And that’s what I said on Thursday to several friends that e-mailed me a link to a story about how the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) basically correlates libertarians and more specifically supporters of Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin, with potentially being a domestic terrorist or member of a militia.
Some news stories out of Missouri helped with the credibility of the story, especially an article from the Columbia Tribune:
Titled “The Modern Militia Movement,” the report is dated Feb. 20 and designed to help police identify militia members or domestic terrorists. Red flags outlined in the document include political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, talk of conspiracy theories such as the plan for a mega-highway from Canada to Mexico and possession of subversive literature.
But when Neal read the report, he couldn’t help but think it described him. A military veteran and a delegate to the 2008 Missouri Republican state convention, he didn’t appreciate being lumped in with groups like the Neo-Nazis.
“I was going down the list and thinking, ‘Check, that’s me,’ ” he said. “I’m a Ron Paul supporter, check. I talk about the North American union, check. I’ve got the ‘America: Freedom to Fascism’ video loaned out to somebody right now. So that means I’m a domestic terrorist? Because I’ve got a video about the Federal Reserve?”
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[S]tate law enforcement officials said the report is being misinterpreted. Lt. John Hotz of the Missouri State Highway Patrol said the report was compiled by the Missouri Information Analysis Center based in Jefferson City and comes purely from publically available, trend data on militias.Hotz said MIAC, which opened in 2005, is a “fusion center” that combines resources from the federal Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. It was set up to collect local intelligence to better combat terrorism and other criminal activity, he said.
“All this is an educational thing,” Hotz said of the report. “Troopers have been shot by members of groups, so it’s our job to let law enforcement officers know what the trends are in the modern militia movement.”
The report’s most controversial passage states that militia “most commonly associate with third-party political groups” and support presidential candidates such as Ron Paul, former Constitutional Party candidate Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr, the Libertarian candidate last year.
Hotz said using those or similar factors to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from such groups are not in danger of harassment from police.
Look, if you’re working for a government entity and you’re going to issue a report dealing with people who are prone to buy into conspiracy theories, you may want to take note of the fact that they are some paranoid people and that they’re going to overreact once they find out about the report, especially when Alex Jones gets the information.
This isn’t the first time a state has done this either. In 2007, the Alabama Department of Homeland Security issued a similar report. It was later removed.
Ask yourself why “militia movements” have been created inside the United States? You can’t blame people for mistrusting or being skeptical of elected officials, even law enforcement. Conspiracy theorists are always going to exist, and as much as I make fun of them, I can’t blame them either because of how secretive government tries to be or your Attorney General tells you there is no right to habeas corpus or when memos surface about suspending protected rights or politicians attempt to disarm law-abiding citizens or when it uncontrollably spends taxpayer dollars and runs up a massive debt.
Like I said, you can’t blame them.
The militia movement did spawn Timothy McVeigh, who blew up a federal building which contained a day-care center. Given that, I can fully understand why law enforcement has a particular interest in what the militia movement is up to.
I’ve had a few chance encounters with really out there conspiracy theorists who have reposted some of my articles on their website. While they may see some of themselves in Ron Paul’s generally anti-government message, it’s very scary when a member of the choir is confused with the messenger (or with the rest of the choir at large). The Paul campaign made “peace” and “love” a big theme, and it’s really hard to imagine neo-McVeighs taking to those themes. Conspiracies are popular because there is very low confidence in government, and they are to be found throughout the political spectrum, not just among Paul supporters, and not only among people who are inclined towards massive acts of violence.
Even in the “Land of the Free,” it’s chancy to get politically active. We have our history of J. Edgar Hoovers, Richard Nixons, Lyndon Johnsons and George Bushes who had no qualms about spying on Americans. Know your rights and exercise them, but don’t be surprised at what the government will pull on you.
“Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.” - Thomas Jefferson
Timothy McVeigh was an actor of the state. Do the research on OKC.
What “Militia” did McVeigh belong to? I don’t recall any Militia endorsing his actions. Militias aren’t mothers so they don’t give birth, thus it’s hard for me to understand what you mean by that. I do know that what happened at Waco was a real shame and no one in our government was will to do anything about it and that made McVeigh mad.
Stating that Ron Paul is “anti-government” is dangerous and wrong. Ron Paul doesn’t advocate ending Government. He promotes a Federal Government that follows the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Which or current Federal Government is failing at.
By the way what the heck is a daycare doing at a secure Federal building? Why does one put a daycare in a dangerous enough location to require such security in the first place? Does our Federal Government use Children as human shields? And if it was a simple oversight have all daycares been removed from all Federal buildings sense? Why didn’t the Media ask these questions at the time? I’m asking because I really don’t know, but it looks real bad to me.
The Waco massacre spawned Timothy McVeigh. He probably was already a loose cannon, but he snapped after what he saw there (he was an FBI agent in the raid).
Militias are not terrorist groups
Ron Paul is a terrorist - to the government officials ears! He talks the truth in the language that people understand and that frightens the living Hell out of them. I listened to him again on You Tube for a few hours yesterday, trying to get to know the man better, so to speak. He is a politician, well no actually; I think that’s what makes him different; he’s a man who knows politics and can speak them without the political jargon. You know more about what’s going in five minutes than you do sitting listening to congress for half an hour (normal citizen, that is).
I believe he is quite unique because I got the feeling I could sit down in a bar having a conversation with Dr Paul and not think he’s trying to blind me with science (and that came from a speech in congress).
If people start to believe that he’s a domestic or militia terrorist then we might as well all pack up and move to the mountains because everybody has gone cuckoo. He may talk reduction of government power, but he’s not throwing it in the hands of Osama Bin Laden or the likes, is he!
I appreciate the police have their job to do and there’s no blame there, but someone wants to discredit him higher up. However, surely if they are taking it to the point of removing third party support stickers they are slandering his name without proof, not to mention the breech of freedom.
On the other side, anyone who picks up a gun or turns to terrorism doesn’t know the system they are dealing with. They will blow the crap out of you, the person next to you and their own if it means stopping a revolution and that’s no theory. I can understand some of the anger, but you will not win over the people by getting them killed.
Ha,you preach liberty,(UL)and diss Alex jones,one of the greatest patriots American has ever seen,but you sit on the web & write your little blogs ,while real patriots do the REAL work,you make me sick.Fake,fake,fake,Jones knows more about what was going on ten years ago,than you do now.
I’d imagine similar things were written about the Founding Fathers by the loyalist partisans in colonial America. And the fact is, that the two worst abusers of individual rights in our countries history, were Abe Lincoln and FDR, not the recent Presidents we all know have made the liberals current list of shame. The Second Amendment was written so that groups like these had a secure space in our society to operate in without government interference in my opinion. That so many feel that issues like the Nafta superhighway or the efforts by government funded advocasy groups to unite the US, Canada and Mexico are only urban myths and not to be taken seriously, only undermines the truth we currently find ourselves in, where the Press can unite behind one political candidate without fear of retribution, this destroying any credibility they might have once enjoyed in the country, and then see that the internet bloggers, folks with zero credibility to begin with, are now taken seriously and given Internet space to spew what is essentially unsubstantiated rumors and unfounded gossip, while allowing it pass unchecked and be disseminated as real news items. Ron Paul had his points in my opinion, as did Ross Perot in his day, its just that the consolidated powers that be, have fixed the game, and thus locked the independants out of the national debate with the help of the same media that so sadly failed to vet most of the folks that now hold power in DC. Just because there is a vast group of koolaide drinking faithful, doesn’t make Obama the saint or messiah they seek to portray him as. The margin between the winners and losers in the last election is in truth only a couple of percentage points, but the media has deemed Obama and company have a free reign to do as the please without fear of much scrutiny. It will be a newer generation of reporters who blow the cover off the current political scandal in making, called the bailout and economic stimulus. Unfortunately the damage will have been done and their generation will be forced to pick up the pieces and pay the bills we are signing IOUs for. These same groups, as well as hundreds of law abiding gun owners across this country have had their eyes opened by the results of the last election, where all kinds of promises were made about repecting our Second Amendment rights, but have seen them sumarily dashed as the current slew of antigun legislation is pushed into view in the Congress by the big winners in last years election. We are vigilant and have clearly seen what happened in Canada and Australia in recent years when similar legislation was enacted, and we are not about to lie still and allow that crap in this country. Most Americans see the validity of this point of view, at least those who still rely on their own efforts to make a living and find success, and aren’t sitting on their asses clamouring for government relief and handouts.
Anyone who thinks they can join a militia and fight the Government with guns or what ever weapons they can get, is on a suicide mission. Ron Paul has nothing to do with militias but does represent a rare legislative effort to expose the truth about certain powers over riding The US Constitution and The Bill of Rights.
Some will prove through the stacks of passed papers that the United States no longer exists but is a privately owned corporation. Owned and controlled by international fascist. That means you are not a Citizen but a piece of property traded as leverage on the global market. Ron Paul recently issued a bill to Audit the Federal Reserve, something that has never been done for nearly 100 years. Perhaps the IRS should audit the Fed, but the same fascist who set up the private corporation called the Federal Reserve also set up and got the commission the run the IRS.
This is not about Militia work, this is about preserving or re-establishing The United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights or remaining a Nation of economic slavery. Perhaps we can do this by auditing the Fed and the IRS and prove that they both are corrupt and need to be decommissioned, simply through the legislative process.
well ron paul supports the constatution the law of the land…thats ok im one of the crazzys you should have no prblem i mean the media will support the aready stationed expereanced iraq troops to round up the none violent subjects now enemys of the new world order, i mean globle community, i here all the detention facilitys for FEMA are ready for us. start your false attact but im sure nato jest wants you to wait till the doller is worthless….o…this fits the profile…well if it is not true then sucure the border dont worry about americans… no that part of the north american union….AMEROS any one. oh the silent majority of american know…..did i forget government vaccinated disieses….i have nothing to hide what are you worried about?? or is it more fear mongering…joe bidden we are still waiting for the disater.i dont think it was the trillion dollers we loaned our selfs ….i would love a rep from the dept homeland securitys to prove me wrong, i would love to feel that my government is on the up, i would sleep better knowing the truth…..its only true when its officaly denied and exposure silenced
Who can blame people getting upset over a report like this especially after Nancy Pelosi calls legitimate Immigration Officers un-american for doing their jobs correctly. Open your eye’s law enforcement officers under her watch you might be next because you shoot a bank robber or a rapist.
When U.S. citizens have to think twice about government repercussions for something they say or believe in then there exists an tyrannical monster that is casting his shadow on this beautiful land and citizenry that we used to call America land of the free.
If this monster controls our voice then it also controls our body, to be mute in this growing oppressive enviornment is to comply with your captors ruthless demands. Your relatives and loved ones didn’t die serving their country in past and present conflicts for the type of political mismanagement that is permeating our daily news and affecting your savings that you thought were secure. The ravishing of our lives by economic criminal manipulation continues on as some of us sit in complacency under the false misconception that things will get better and what is happening is just temporary. Only YOU can change things for the betterment of our crumbling society just by speaking out or continue to be a silent victim. THINK brothers and sisters you may not think much of yourself but think of your precious children and grandchildren, aren’t they worth speaking out for.
Jim (a 72 year old patriot who proudly served his country in uniform)
Ok, I can see the crazy people have come around and made their anti-government comments. The truth is that the State of Missouri released this report as a means to find out who might blow up buildings and kill people. This isn’t a case of saying that all Ron Paul supporters or Libertarians are terrorist. They’re saying that domestic terrorists are generally Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians. Therefore, they have another tool to catch these people who are a true threat to our life and liberty.
I think that the people who are against domestic spying are the people who have something to hide. They’re probably tax cheats, adulterers, pot heads and white collar thieves. I don’t care if the government spies on me, they’re not gonna find anything. I would think that if the rest of you actually cared about survival you wouldn’t mind the government making sure everyone was being good.
“They’re saying that domestic terrorists are generally Ron Paul supporters and Libertarians. Therefore, they have another tool to catch these people who are a true threat to our life and liberty.”
Can this be a real person? Are there actually people out there that are this clueless? I just can’t fathom it. He/she is begging for a police state. You’re just one false flag away America. Brace yourselves.
Mr. Pye, you have no journalistic intergrity and should be fired immediately.
It’s sad that you love being a slave to the Global Elites that care nothing about you but to use you for their stepping stool. Keep believing what you believe because if the sh*t hits the fan, many Constitution defending citizens will have many bullets with your name on it because you will be part of the problem along with the other tyrants that run this country.
So Xzavier you actually think its ok for the government to go spying in everyones house????? Its not about having something to hide its the fact that they dont need a reason to arrest you anymore….under the patriot act all misdameanors can be concidered terrorsism. And with the presidents new Law hes trying to pass you could be jailed because they think your going to commit a crime. might as well lock everyone up cause i dont know a single perfect person who never violated a law whether on purpose or accident. You must be really scared that someone is going to blow up your car or place of work in the name of alla to think that this is truelly needed. Fear is our overlords greatest weapon along with ignorance you my friend seem to be both
Who even needs a false flag operation? All it takes is one American Muslim turning terrorist or one defender of the Constitution attempting to assassinate the President and we may well wind up with a police state- or a civil war to avoid one.
It was not that long ago that I thought all the conspiracy theorists were crack pots. Now that the dollar is collapsing, nd there are calls for a global currency. Libertarians are being targeted as terrorists. David Duke’s Euro Conference is shut down by the police in clear violation of his constitutional rights. The white population of this country is being actively replaced and undermined. While the government is paying off bankers and financial elites trillions of dollars. Who can honestly say that we still live in a free country?
CORRECT ME WHERE IM WRONG AND INFORM WHAT ARTICLE IT IS. I COULD NOT FIND IT IN “THE MISSOURI CONSTITUTION”. EVERY MISSOURI CITIZEN IN GOOD STANDING BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16-65 IS AUTOMATICALLY BY THE CONSTITUTION IS A MEMBER OF THE MISSOURI MILITIA.
PLEASE CORRECT ME WHERE IM WRONG AND DIRECT ME IF POSSIBLE TO THE CORRECT ARTICLE IN “THE MISSOURI CONSTITUTION”. ALL MALE MISSOURI CITIZENS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16-60 IN GOOD STANDING ARE AUTOMATICALLY MEMBERS OF THE “MISSOURI MILITIA BY THE CONSTITUTION.
“The American People Pretend to Be Free. The Rulers in Washington Pretend to Agree”.
Death to Tyrants.
Top-down structures are bound to be a bad deal for whoever’s near or at the bottom.
Furthermore, the top doesn’t really care about the bottom.
Wanna make the government mad?
Create your own local government and start by reclaiming local oversight, management and budgets.
In the process, you’ll become the government you were dreaming of ; )
Ha! — what the hell is this — the Double Speak website?
United Liberty my ass — what a joke!
Watch this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7181402991205199999
I think this website is the government’s attempt to ‘fit’ in with the extreme right wingers like Ron Paul supporters. Wait, Ron Paul supporters ‘extreme’ right wing????? According to all the left wing blogs I have been turned into an ‘extreme’ right winger for supporting Ron Paul. Maybe Mr Pye is undercover for Huffington Post or some other left wing brainwashing garbage. Or maybe this truly is the government’s lame attempt at fitting in with us.
Lawson,
Your words here reveal that you are a shill of the very forces that have proven to be America’s worst enemies.
Time for a bath, Senator.
IS there a “Militia” “Movement” at all ??? Sounds more like some scare tactics to me. What? The largest and most sophisticated surveillance organisations and systems in the world cant find these guys??? As if important facilities around the US aren’t guarded and under heavy duty surveillance 24-7 around the country. What else is this if it isnt a ruse and a ploy just to demonise people who’re fed up with the two party system? So who’s the more dangerous here? Who’s been taking away the american peoples freedom? the PNAC, Karl Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and their attorney generals, their high court judges, and their efforts to make the presidency a dictatorial position that issues orders by decrees. Not that the two (?) party congress was ever useful for anything at any rate…
Pye, dO you really think you’re any more reliable than Alex Jones? Ron Paul is on Jones show quite often, so obviously Paul doesn’t share your opinion of Jones.
What can you name that Jones has said which hasn’t been proven plausible, if not true?
Well, the 9/11 conspiracies for starters. Everything is a conspiracy to Alex Jones.
Note to the author of this article. You should try paying attention to what Alex Jones reports because he has an excellent team of researchers with their eye on the ball. That doesn’t mean everything they report is 100% accurate but just because what they report doesn’t gel with your particular world view it doesn’t make it invalid.
9/11 was an inside job. The explosive residue has been found in the dust. Steel structured buildings do not collapse at free-fall speed in a uniform collapse. Do the math on that folks. Take building 7 - a 47 story massive steel structured office tower collapsing directly downward in 10 seconds flat!
That’s a collapse of 4.7 stories in a single second. Just run that through your little heads and go watch the video of the collapse on YouTube.
Now the official story wants you to believe that WTC7 collapsed due to office fires. Are you an idiot? Because they think you are. The 9/11 Commission did not even mention the collapse of WTC7. How’s that for a thorough investigation.
So anyone that ridicules those that question 9/11 is only exposing themselves as a completely ignorant moron. I’m looking at you Jason Pye.
Name calling will get you everywhere.
I love you, too.
I wish we could put all the people who believe the moon landings were faked, the people who believe the Holocaust didn’t happen, and the 9/11 Truthers all in the same room at the same time. My prediction? Spontaneous combustion.
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